I am just sitting here reading your web site and thinking HYPOCRITE! You say that the word anti Mormon is a word used to counter the opponent. However, the opponent is using words like cult.
Hmm, interesting.
As for anti-Mormon. You are against Mormonism aren't you? Wouldn't that make you an active anti-Mormon?
Didn't you just imply that people who use such words to counter the opponent are hypocrites?
The Burden of Proof is on you to prove it wrong if you truly see something, . . .
I think you are mistaken on that point. The burden of proof is on he/she who alleges something. You allege that Mormonism is true, so the burden of proof is on you to prove it, not for me (or anyone else) to disprove it.
. . . and all I see are half truths and lies in your web site.
Really? Where? Could you point some of them out for me?
The only Burden of Proof you provide is possible mistakes made by members of the Church, and by saying that must mean the Church is wrong is silly.
"Possible mistakes?" Then by that methodology, every church is true, since their leaders make possible mistakes, too.
If that were the case, the Catholic, Protestants, Muslims, and everyone else is wrong.
I hate to break the news to you, but I do indeed feel that "the Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, and everyone else is wrong."
Your rhetoric is not anymore short of being compared to neo nazism to the Jews, or Catholics to Lutheranism.
You've got to be kidding. Is anyone who happens to disagree with you, on any given subject, akin to a neo-Nazi?
The sad fact is that this is nothing more than a hobby to you, a way to occupy your mind and fear from what could be, and a way to protect your families religious history. Because no one is making you join this church and certainly you don't believe that god lied when he said that he wont let abominations happen.
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Then again, you are an "ANTI MORMON".
If I am an anti-Mormon, are you a cultist?
Exchange #2
You see, you emply that the "Mormons" are a cult. There is no proof whatsoever unless used by traditionalist Christian rhetoric.
Actually, that isn't true. A "cult" can be defined by objective methodology. Take a look at:
http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm
Now assuming you are using traditional christianity rhetoric, which you are, then you are obligated to call us a cult with a false God and False Christ.
What makes you think I am using traditional Christian rhetoric? I myself am not a Christian!
You are correct, and you are alledging that this religion is wrong. However, if you use the Mormon teachings, then there is only one way to prove this religion wrong. That is by asking God if it is true.
Remember, every church is true by its own teachings, so it makes little sense to use a religion's own teachings to discover its truth or falseness, since every church "stacks the deck" in its own favor. If you think that Moroni's promise is an exception, then recall what the church teaches if you receive a "no" answer: "You weren't ready for the answer," "the answer will come in due time," or "you received an answer from the Devil." Hence, by its own teachings, the LDS church can never be wrong.
You carry on the same drum beat as others. Mostly half truths that are twisted and not even taught in our Church and facts of our Church that our bogged down by modern traditionalistic Christianity.
Where? Can you point me out any examples of this?
I don't know how many times I have heard the Temples called secret places, places of the devil, and many other things as a way to detour the studdying of our religion.
Perhaps, but where did you read that on my site?
I could get into the details of your site, but it is the same drum beat as all of the anti lds web sites and you would only counter react with the Bible . . .
What makes you think I would counteract with the Bible? I don't even believe in the divinity of the Bible!
. . . the Temples, the undergarments, the history of the church and its teachings will sound very cultish to someone trapped inside of the Bible Belt.
Not everyone who visits my site is trapped inside the Bible Belt.
[In response to my question of whether or not he believes that anyone who disagrees with him is a neo-Nazi:] Absoloutely not, but those who put a web site of rhetoric against a religion are nothing short of Neo-Nazis to me.
So, in your opinion, every religion, no matter how false, should be held utterly immune from scrutiny, criticism, and critique. Do you feel the same way about Heaven's Gate and the Branch Davidians? Consistency demands that you answer "yes."
Well you are against Mormonism are you not? Doesnt that make you anti-Mormon?
No, it technically makes me anti-Mormonism. I may believe the doctrines to be false, but I have absolutely nothing against the believers therein.
Mormons truly don't mind people like you calling us a cult.
Then why did you e-mail me?
You have encouraged to many people to study our religion and join. I personally joined because of a pamplet I was handed at Preston Baptist Chruch in Dallas. I studied it. Found out half of what was on the pamplet that was supported by the SBC was false, and asked to have missionaries to further teach me, read books, and then got Baptised.
Then why do you criticize me, since you consider sites like mine to be a positive missionary tool?
So if you want to call us cultist then go for it. However, you are an anti Mormon, and by your fruits you will be known.
You already said that I have encouraged to many people to study your religion and join, so my "fruits" must be pretty good, right?
You may say that you are merely laying out the facts so that people can see both sides of the story, but i believe that is a rather hypocritical statement as you are presenting a very one-sided website that displays only 'anit-mormon' material.
That's because there is an abundance of "pro-Mormon" material on the Internet. It's available everywhere. To post it on my own site would be redundant and a waste of everyone's time.
With that biassed outlook, it is impossible to present an arbitrary opinion on any of the pretences of the gospel, so in the same way you are accusing church leaders, you are not giving viewers of your website a two sided outlook at all.
That's why I hold off on any hard-and-fast preaching. I simply offer an alternate viewpoint and let others draw their own conclusions. Besides, can you name a single "pro-LDS" website that includes both points of view?
Obviously, without knowing you personally this can only be an opinion that I have inferred from reading the material on your website, but to me it sounds as if a major reason for your leaving the church was the policy of tithing, and the church's 'enforcement' of it. I have found references to your bitterness at having to pay 10% of your income in countless places, and it appears to be the most abundant source of this said bitterness.
That's simply a reaction to those people that say that "even if the church is false, it's a great church, so why does it matter." My response is that the church requires tithing, so you're actually losing something substantial if it's actually false, so its truth or falseness does matter, no matter how "good" the LDS church may be.
As for your wonderment as to why the church strongly discourages (to put it mildly) the seeking out and studying of books and materials that are not church approved, I can not give you an official answer. But what I can tell you is that there is enough false information in these books or websites to persuay the General Authorities of the church to deter its members from reading them.
In that case, it sounds like the General Authorities don't trust the members to be smart enough to weed out the false information on their own.
As for the material on your website, I don't intend to argue all of the information that you have put forward. What I will say though, is that the majority of the information you are presenting stems from the 1830's. Think about it, how reliable is some of the information we get from that time period?
It all depends. We get the Book of Mormon from the 1830s, so if we automatically discount everything from the 1830s, we need to discount it as well. Is this what you're advocating? Obviously not, but what's the point of simply disregarding what we don't like and keeping what we do like? Ignoring things just because we don't like them is not the way to learn truth.
As for the original changes to the Book of Mormon that you pointed out, it states in the introduction to the Book of Mormon:
"About this edition: Some minor errors in the text have been perpetuated in past editions of the Book of Mormon. This edition contains corrections that seem appropriate to bring the material into conformity with prepublication manuscripts and early editions edited by the Prophet Joseph Smith."
But that's not what really happened. It actually took the text farther away from the prepublication manuscripts and, in many cases, the early editions edited by the Prophet Joseph Smith as well.
And as for your claim that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon, the statistics of it are just impossible. . . Now from the time Joseph Smith started translating the Book of Mormon on April 7, 1829 until the time he finished on June 30, 1829 a total of 84 days had passed. No man (especially an uneducated one such as Joseph Smith) could have made up this comprehensive of a story in a mere 84 days!
Remember, according to his mother, he was telling tales about the ancient inhabitants of the Americas before he even received the plates:
"During our evening conversations, Joseph would occasionally give us some of the most amusing recitals that could be imagined. He would describe the ancient inhabitants of this continent, their dress, mode of traveling, and the animals upon which they rode; their cities, their buildings, with every particular; their mode of warfare; and also their religious worship. This he would do with as much ease, seemingly, as if he had spent his whole life among them" (Lucy Mack Smith, History of Joseph Smith by His Mother, pp. 82-83).
So he was able to create all sorts of details before even claiming to translate anything.
Even if we disregard this, Joseph reported receiving the golden plates on September 22, 1827. The translation was completed in late June of 1829, so at the very least he had approximately 21 months--not 84 days--to work on his story.
I must admit, you've done your homework. What I don't get is, why?
Why not?
I am assuming you think that everyone has a right to hear all sides and you are going to bring your side to them. I can understand having doubts and needing answers. I to was baptized at 8, and eventually I did have to find out for myself. But, regardless of whether people are LDS or not, shouldn't they pray and find out for themselves from Heavenly Father?
They can do whatever they want, of course, but prayer as a truth-detector is notoriously unreliable. It results in wildly contradictory results that vary from person to person. And that's assuming that a Heavenly Father even exists in the first place--He obviously can't answer any prayers at all if He doesn't exist.
I just don't think any information you put down on paper could persuade me as long as my relationship with a higher power confirmed what I feel.
In that case, I wish you all the best.
Do you feel victimized by the Church? I mean, do you feel like they were trying to pull something over on you?
In a way, yes. It's like a large theft by deception ring, whereby they extract time, money, and labor under false pretenses.
I had my struggle with the Church at one time. I learned that Mormons can be judgemental and self-righteous. I guess I learned how not to be. I try to over-look the faults of the members (becuase I know I have my own) and focus on the relationship I have with Heavenly Father.
The faults of the members were never a concern to me. They still aren't.
When I first went through your website, it made me sad. I know there is so many terrible things that go on in our world. I was just surprised you focused on a church that seems so harmless considering some of the things that have been going on.
As I explained above, it's not harmless.
Do you do this with everything you don't believe in? Like, domestic violence, child porn or government fraud?
No. I simply don't have the time, energy, or interest to combat everything I don't believe in (I doubt anyone does, for that matter). Besides, in those departments, others have already laid that groundwork and done far better jobs than I ever could.
I guess you didn't find what you were looking for with the LDS Church. I hope you have found it somewhere else. Am I being naive?
No, not really. Just keep in mind that God tells the Mormons that Mormonism is true, the Baptist that the Baptist church is true, the Catholics that Catholicism is true (just ask them). Can they all be true?
Exchange #2
I do understand how you can get to where you are, I do. I wouldn't say that I use prayer as a truth detector. Just like you went out and got all the facts, I too got all the facts I needed. I just don't trust people at all, sad isn't it? I have to go with what my gut tells me.
First you say that you got all the facts you needed. Then you say that you go with what your gut tells you. Which is it?
I just can't for the life of me compare the Church to say....the Enron people!
If the Enron people had millions of individuals paying 10% of their income to them, they wouldn't have gone out of business, either.
We went to the church for help. They gave us over a month's worth of food, paid all our bills for a month and offered my husband employment services. All without asking for anything in return. So, I guess I hardly feel duped.
That simply means that its welfare system worked for you. That doesn't mean that its teachings are true.
I know you have a conscience. What is that to you?
In my opinion, it's evolutionary hardwiring which causes us to avoid things which degrade group cohesion--and it's group cohesion which facilitates the division of labor and thus prosperity, allowing one's genes to be successfully passed to the next generation. In other words, evolution favors those with a conscience.
How sad is life when you believe that your born, you live 75 years hopefully and you die.
It's sad, perhaps, but it's better than going to Hell for eternity (which is what a great many religions teach will happen to those who don't join them), wouldn't you say?
I just have to go with what makes the most sense. And, that does not make sense to me.
How does it not make sense? You're born, you live, and you die. Sounds quite simple to me.
The other question I have for you is, what about those people that you baptized? I was never a missionary, although my three bothers and my sister were. I can't imagine saying to someone "yea invest all your money in Enron! I did and it is great!" and then after finding out what was going on not letting them know too.
It's not my place to barge in to another's personal life with information which has the potential to cause personal and family strife. If any of them ask me my current opinion about the church, I'll be perfectly honest, but I won't volunteer anything.
That must have been so hard for you. Finding out after all this time and all this work, that it may not be all that you had hoped.
Yes, I'd say that realigning my religions [sic., religious] paradigm 180 degrees was the hardest thing I've ever done.
I have a question for you, you said that you were a member of the LDS Church, but have left it. Why?
Because I discovered that it isn't true.
I don't understand why someone who has "doubts" would leave something they were a part of for so long.
If they were only "doubts," I wouldn't have left, for I carried doubts with me (I'm sure a large number of Mormons do) for many years. I only left when those doubts became certainty.
Is it because you did something the church wouldn't accept and so you were angry and left.
No, although that's what the church teaches is the reason why people leave. Let's face it: They can hardly afford to admit that some people leave because they find out that it's false.
I don't understand, because now not only did you leave the church, but you are working to bring it down, to try to convince others to leave the church as well.
I wouldn't say that. As I said in my opening paragraph, one of my reasons for constructing a website was because I simply wanted to provide information that I haven't seen elsewhere.
That doesn't make you look like the most reliable source.
Let's examine your argument objectively and see how it sounds: If (according to you) people who leave the church, work to bring it down, and try to convince others to leave are not reliable sources, then you must also grant that people who stay in the church, work to build it, and try to convince others to join are not reliable sources either.
Have you ever considered talking to a Stake President about your "doubts". I don't think that would be giving to much.
No, but I don't see any reason why my Stake President (whoever he is) would know any more about the damning issues surrounding the church than I do. Stake Presidents are generally selected due to their loyalty to the church, not because of their knowledge of its history and prior doctrines.
I mean, are you happy now that you have left the church. Do you wake up every morning thinking I am a better person now.
To be honest, I don't feel any more nor less happy. After all, if it's false, then where's the happiness in attending and paying tithing to a bogus church?
I also left the church for a while, but you know what, it didn't make me any happier. It only made me feel so much more alone. I went back to the church and now have found myself happier then I ever was.
I don't doubt it one bit. The difference between you and I is that while you were "gone" you still believed in it, so you had every reason to go back. As for me, I no longer believe in it, so there's no reason to return.
If you don't agree, what church would you recommend to me? I am very curious to know.
I haven't come across a church any less false than the one I left, so I wouldn't recommend any.
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I am sure that you have your reasons, and I don't have any problem with that. The only thing that bothered me was that it seems to me your site has a very negative outlook on the church.
That's because I wasted thousands of dollars, two years of my life, and countless hours for no reason whatsoever. How can I not have a negative outlook?
You said though that if you don't believe the church is true, why pay tithes and attend the meetings of a "bogus" church. I'll will tell you why, because just like I can't prove that it is true, you cannot prove it isn't.
Then in that case, you can join any church you want, since you can't prove that they aren't true, either.
You can give me some very persuasive information, but still that doesn't prove that it is not true.
Why not be consistent and use that argument universally? For example, by your logic, then the information that the earth is round may be very persuasive, but that still doesn't prove that it is not flat.
The question is, do you believe in a God?
Not necessarily, but I don't strictly disbelieve in the existence of one or more supreme beings, either. I think there isn't enough information to draw a definitive conclusion either way.
But, to me, I find that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints feels good to me in my heart. . . Maybe it is all a big false security that we imperfect and very mortal beings created to comfort us in our lack of knowledge, but if that is all that there is on this Earth to help us through this life is that simple hope, then that is good enough for me.
In that case, why bother with the question of whether it's actually true?
I might as well hold on to that hope, and when I die if it is the end and there is nothing more, which I do not believe is the case for that matter, then what did I waste in this life?
You wasted the precious time that you were given, that's what.
Nothing, because if it is all "bogus" and when I die my existence as well as everyone elses is over, then isn't this whole entire life a big useless thing anyway?
Yes, but it wouldn't be useless to you.
There would be no purpose for anything. Not for me, not for you, not for the trees, grass, and whatever there is on this planet and any other planets out there. They would be entirely useless. I can't thing of anything more depressing then that.
It may be depressing, but that doesn't mean it isn't the way things are.
If you have anything to add, feel free, I appreciate your opinion and for your willingness to share it with me.
No problem. Please understand that, in my opinion, if belief in the LDS church is what makes you happy, then by all means, stick with it.
i can't believe you. How could you turn on the church like this.
I didn't "turn on it," I simply discovered that it's not true.
Can't you remember the feeling you first got when you joined?
I was baptized when I was 8. I don't recall feeling anything out of the ordinary.
i wasn't a convert but i still get the warm feeling in my chest. And the sensational happiness of knowing it is true. How can this be fake? My body didn't make it up. I don't know how to do that. The church is so true and real. Why can't you see it?
I'm sure that Evangelical Christians get a warm feeling in their chests when they are "saved" by the Grace of Jesus. Does that make their experience true? They, too, have the "sensational happiness" knowing that they are saved. They too, know their bodies didn't make it up (just ask them). To them, the fact that they have been saved by Jesus is "so true and real." What would you say to them?
you are constantly saying this proves it false, that proves it false, did it ever occur to you that these sources might be lying, not us?
"These sources" are your own leaders. If they really are lying, as you infer, I'd say that leaves you in quite a predicament, n'est-ce pas?
Can you prove in person without paperwork that the church is false? i doubt it
Can you prove in person, either with or without paperwork, that the church is true? I, too, "doubt it."
Hello, I 16 am a sixteen year old, and I turn 17 in august. I searched on Google for Mormonism and found this Mormonism web ring. I have a few things to discuss with you. When I was reading your letters, I see that you are very immature, and have no reasonable conclusions, no facts to base your conclusions on, because you just give short little comments, that have no proof whatsoever, and are extremely illogical. I have been a Mormon ever since I was born. I attend church every Sunday, and get straight A's in school. I personally do not think this church is true, but only because I do not want to believe. I find many errors, and different theories than the church teaches. The only reason I am writing this letter is to tell you, all of you that expected something from the church, or a burning in your bosom, or for your testimony to come to you, is the wrong idea. If you read the scriptures, then you would find that out, because it says that some people don't get a burning in the bosom. If you expect God to make deals with you, or if you expect something from him, that is also the wrong idea. If you join another church, do you get what you want from god? Mormonism also has high standards, which I personally think are great. Last thing. for all of you that say that Mormonism has changed your life for the negative, lead you to not get married, or anything wrong with the church. I believe that you were the reason, the way you thought, maybe you were just selfish, bad attitude, or a personality that people don't get along with. You might have been a perfect person, that everyone loves, just nobody was good enough for you.
And your point is. . . ?
Yeah, you're a real work of art. Can't wait 'til I see you burn in hell.
Who taught you to say such hateful things to your fellow-man? It couldn't have been the Mormon church that I grew up in. . . could it?
What side do you think you and your website are on the Good Or Evil in God's eyes?
It all depends on whether Mormonism is true or not.
And in doing this Mormons stand for nothing but good things, no bad at all. Although we make mistakes, people who are faithful "don't" i repeat dont do drugs, drink alcohol, coffe, tea, caffine in general, masterbate, have pre marital sex. Those are the majors most don't do. Can you even say you don't do one of those?
Yes. In fact, most of those I don't do.
and do you even think those sins are wrong? My guess is no, right?
Some yes, some no.
What we also do is exercise, stay clean, our best not to use the lords name in vain or bad language, eat me proportionally. We try to treat everybody with respect and love eachother as God loves us.
Judging from some of the e-mails to this site, I really wonder about that last one.
We pray everyday go to church at 3 Hours on sunday. And best of all, we have faith and believe in the church of the Lord Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Actually, it's called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." The words "the Lord" aren't in the name anywhere.
Do you have anything nice to say about the Mormon Religion. I am a faithful Mormon and know it to be true but do you have anything nice to say?
Yes. It's not as bad as Scientology.
One other thing is you do know what you post on your site is false and anti-christ right?
No, I don't know that.
Meaning, you are hating on our religion and posting false doctrine about it.
Where am I hating it or posting false doctrine about it? Can you please point out where?
And I see all these sites on "What they don't tell you" and they are all made up opinions about it that odd enough, people love to believe.
Which parts are made up?
One thing that I have learned is to never base the truthfulness of anything upon the actions of men. You won't get anywhere doing that. Men make mistakes, and they always will.
Of course. However, there must be some standard by which we judge those who claim to know the will of God. If we don't, then we fall easy prey to any Jim Jones, Reverend Moon, L. Ron Hubbard, David Koresh, or Marshall Applewhite who comes along.
I don't believe the claims you make on your site, but I cannot say absolutely that they are false.
Which ones do you not believe? And why do you think they are untrue?
But even if the men who formed and uphold that church are as severely tainted as you say, it does not change the truthfulness of the doctrine. All it says is that they do not live it. I believe that they do, however, and in either case it will be up to God to judge them.
With all due respect, using that logic, anyone can be a prophet, so it wouldn't matter what religion you belonged to.
Exchange #2
Perhaps I did not come across as clearly as a meant to. My point was not that whether these men were prophets or not does not matter. My point is exactly what you yourself stated in your response, "There must be SOME standard by which we judge those who claim to know the will of God." That standard is prayer and personal revelation.
I understand. In my opinion, feelings and emotions can be manipulated easier than almost anything else imaginable. The Mormons call it "feeling the Spirit." The Evangelical Christians call it "being saved." The Jehovah's Witnesses call it "becoming convinced." Different names, different religions, same psychological phenomenon.
People exert so much effort and energy into proving the Mormon religion wrong, when it, as a religion (I say this because I will not say this for individual members, who can and have made big mistakes at times) does not attack anyone, but rather just tries to teach others (only those who desire to learn) and help others.
It may not attack anyone, but it is an extremely demanding religion. People have a right to know exactly what it is they're getting into (or have gotten into), warts and all.
I would love to see a website from you that told me what you believe.
I'm an agnostic who believes in organic evolution. There's not much to tell.
As I read through your archives posted in your website, and also your comments, I laughed at how typical all this seemed. I thank you soo much. I never realized all the grammatical errors that have been fixed in the Book of Mormon so that people could understand it better. and the words that were spelled wrong. That surely must mean the book is false. and all those people baptized at 8 yrs old. Gee.. must mean there are never any converts.
When did I say there were never any converts? I dedicated an entire column to listing them!
just think of the catholic church.. all those infants. I bet every single mormon is doubting his faith just like you were before you saw the light :) and that salamander letter found.... I bet Harris wrote that himself..(nobody would have tried to forge it.. or set him up especially back then and hide it in the book) and those two murders.. that must have been caused by the general authorities ehh??
Uh, no.
All these incredible findings that these researchers have found! I thank you soo much for helping me see the truth! The truth that all of you so called "x-mormons" who fell into transgression, or apostasized or was OFFENDED cause they didnt make you bishop.
Ahh, yes. I see that yet another one has fallen victim to the stereotype trap.
All of you who have no life, and spend your free time making up all these imaginative conclusions because of a phony document, or because modern leaders have grammatically improved the scriptures..(ohh that wasnt done to the bible that was translated who knows how many times! right??)
Remember, the Bible was translated many times by many men, while the Book of Mormon was supposedly translated once, by the gift and power of God. You'd think that God would do a better job than men (correct me if I'm wrong, of course).
Satin obviously has control over your hearts, you have been sucked into Satin's evil little tricks devised to make us doubt. You have fallen and become one of satin's angels. Your just like him.
Darn! And I was shooting to become one of silk's angels. Oh well, I guess being one of satin's angels is better than being one of cotton's angels, right?
Before I saw your site.. I wondered and even had a few doubts..
Yeah, right.
but now that I have actually seen how confused you people are, and how screwed up all your belifs and conclusions are, my testimony has been boosted up quite a bit.
Now, what does the church teach about basing one's testimony on "the arm of flesh?"
Again I THANK YOU! I am every day more happy to be a Mormon. and you have helped me see how idiotic you people really are!
Well, don't keep me in suspense. What mistakes did you find on my website which made you draw the conclusions you did? Certainly there must have been some.
Why do you try to ruin Peoples faith in something good?
I've found out that it's utterly impossible to ruin someone's faith. If someone wants to believe something badly enough, they'll definitely believe it, all facts, proof, and evidence to the contrary.
Why must you follow the Brainwashed into believing that we are a cult?
Following the brainwashed is something I stopped doing a few years ago, thank you very much.
Why must you take little knit picks at something you can't change? You know why? Because your insecure about your self...
Thanks for the absolutely free evaluation. Now I understand the logic behind the proverb "you get what you pay for."
This is the extent of your whole world and purpose in life, looking over your little web site.
And all this time I thought this was the extent of your whole world and purpose in life, looking over my little web site.
The only person I see trying to start a cult is you. The anti-Mormons cult, and all you have to do to join is hate, and have a small mind.
Then you're the perfect candidate! Sign up now!
Why must you only pick on mormons? Go pick on some other religion.
Isn't that what every false church says to its critics?
Go join the Taliban that way you can just hate all of us, now that's a meaningfull religion!
Wasn't that you I saw manning their recruitment booth?
Nothing is perfect in this world not any religion is the absolute true religion, . . .
Why don't I hear them saying that in General Conference?
butt I'll tell you one thing absolute hate is not the true religion either. Any time people start hating anything they just end up destroying them selves and there good being with there own self righteousness. I don't know why I am writing to you, and I know this won't make a bit of difference in your small mind. Butt this is what one TRUE MORMON has to say
If you're a true Mormon, then Heaven help them.
Received February 23, 2002:
u musta got caut w/da bishops sheep.....hmmmmm
I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about. Could you please explain?
Exchange #2 [I promise, I'm not making this up!]
is da dr for door or docter .........in all your anal ramblings u fail to explain your motives......muny....like most rabid nons....which din apppen......were u born into the church.....wen did u have this first revalation.......mine wuz wen i saw da first counselur smokin a cigerette......wow....talk bout faith shakin.....den mi very own dad....ward clerk...i busted im aven a beer........dam....nuff to put a mormun kid over the edge.......hard to phigure with a docter or a door wut woud make him anal nuff to do do all that reserch to discredit ol joe or brigham......only thing i can figure is you got caught screwing a sheep or sumthin wurse.......keep avin da revelations.....it reelie maturs where all scriptures cum frum.....mormun....jew.....toras.....15 cummmandmunts.....alll of it....if god is there hell git even.......ifn e anint wut diferunce duz it make.........mabe u shud start yer own church.......the anti chucrh of........complete w/a temple .......the garmunts could halve da cuttin n stichen right over the [word deleted]........fer such anal characterds..........thanx fer keepun us posted
I see that the next generation of FARMS contributors has begun to flex its intellectual muscles. . .